the heck are you and where did these things come from?
a long-time BMW owner who simply got tired of the poor stock cupholders
and was disappointed with the lack of any good, reasonably priced
I've used something very similar to those shown in all three of the
BMWs that I've owned (E34 525, E36 M3, and now an E39 540/6). Over
the years I've also made some for other owners of these same cars.
All were happy with how well they worked, especially with larger-sized
drinks. Since I was recently "down-sized," I've now had
the time and motivation to refine the design and to produce them.
And, yes, I really do use them on a daily basis.
should I expect if I buy one?
should expect a well made, very functional cupholder that will work
with almost any drink container and basically last forever.
is a garage-based operation at this point (actually a basement). Other
than cutting the metal blanks, I do everything myself. These are essentially
hand-made items. You should expect fit and finish to be at that level,
and you may see some minor variances from one to another.
I cannot control all aspects of the materials used and keep the cost
low. For example, there may be minor scratches or other cosmetic defects
that are present in the material or that result from the cutting process.
None of these affect functionality and I do reject those that are
beyond an acceptable level.
definitely should not expect any fancy packaging at this point.
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ordering, you must read, understand, and accept the Terms
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assume all risks for the installation and/or use of this product.
I need to alter my car in any way to install them?
they simply slip in and out (see Installation).
They are held in place by the pressure of the edge of the console
on the upper arm and the fit of the base against the floor.
are adjustments for size made?
shipped, the holders are sized to hold most standard drink containers
and in most cases no adjustment is necessary.
If required, the arms may be bent more open or closed to handle larger
or smaller sizes. The metal is flexible enough that this can be done
easily by hand. To open, simply pull the arms apart gently. To close,
wrap your hands around the arms and press together until they are
moved more closely together.
optimal fit is when the container is held in a slightly loose manner
and can be inserted and removed easily. You don't want items to be
held so tightly that it's difficult to get them in and out, or so
loose that they may tip over or fall out. It's best to adjust the
holder so that it fits the largest container that you typically use.
Smaller sizes will fit held more loosely, but will NOT spill (at least
within reasonable limits).
very adaptable, there are a few practical limitations.
First, obviously, there needs to be a place for them and seat position
may restrict or limit the location. Generally, this isn't a problem
other than in a few cases where the seats are positioned very far
forward. The range available for placement varies by vehicle. Short
of trying it, the best guidance that I can give regarding this aspect
is to look at the location where the holder would be inserted with
the seats in their normal positions. If you have several inches of
space where the holder would be placed as shown without any interference
or significant changes to height or profile of the console, then it
should work fine. To give a better idea of when this starts to come
into play, based on experience to date in a BMW 5 Series this hasn't
been a problem other than with drivers in the 5' 2" range and
under, and in some cases, not then depending on how the seat is positioned.
Again, hard to judge given variances across different cars and that
everyone has their own seating position. If you have questions along
these lines, please contact me and I'll try to help you judge in advance.
Second, while they will handle most standard-sized containers very
well without any adjustment (e.g., 12 oz. cans through large cups
and bottles), *very* small or large containers may not work. Obviously,
some common sense applies here. A shot glass, or a very tall and/or
narrow glass, or a huge gallon-sized thermos probably aren't going
to work out very well. Most car-type travel cups will work fine. If
you have questions about a particular favorite drink container, car
cup, etc., please let me know and I'll try to answer as best I can.
are they made?
have metal blanks cut from 20 gauge, 304 grade stainless steel using
a CNC-based laser. As they come to me, they are relatively rough,
flat pieces of metal. I form and finish them and apply the felt lining.
Currently, everything other than the initial cutting is done by hand.
noted above, they're made from 304 stainless and require no maintenance
other than possibly wiping with a typical household glass cleaner.
If necessary, they can be polished using a fine Scotch-Brite®
pad or a metal polish.
felt can be washed with soap and water if needed. I'm not sure that
the adhesive can hold up to dishwasher temperatures, so I wouldn't
should check regularly that the holder is securely installed and holds
items as intended. If not, then it should not be used. If the upper
arm somehow becomes bent so that it no longer fits properly, I can
provide a guide that you can use as a template to rebend it.
they work with other BMW models or other car makes?
assuming that there is a center console that permits the holder to
work in the way intended, that the height of the edge of the console
is neither too high or too low (generally, between a minimum of 5"
and a maximum of 7"), that there is adequate space behind and
no obstructions, wiring, etc., and that there is space for the holder
in the chosen location.
see Model Status
for current applications.
if you'd like to try it for some other application, I will sell these
finished but without the upper arm bent and provide general guidance.
They are returnable as long as they are not bent or otherwise altered
if I don't like it?
really don't want anyone to be unhappy with these. You can return
it for any reason within 30 days for a full refund. All I ask is
that you let me know why and provide any recommendations that you
have for improving any deficiencies.
The 30-day period should give you plenty of time to try it. Any
longer period of time is simply too difficult for me to manage from
a record-keeping standpoint, logistically, and financially. Although
I'm not likely to give you a hard time if it's 31 days, or for any
other reason within the return period, acceptance of any returns
and refunds or replacements are made at my sole discretion.
You must contact me in advance before returning any products, and
you must pay for return shipping to me in the manner that you choose.
See the Terms and Conditions for specifics before ordering.
date, the return rate is less than .01%.
Improvements and Price Changes
improvements and/or changes may be made to the product over time.
Likewise, I'm actively working to reduce cost. It's possible that
the product may be improved or the price may be reduced at some point
after you buy it. In both cases, if there is a significant change
to the product or a reduction to the price within the first 30 days
following the date of your order, and you so request, I will either
provide a replacement or refund the price difference. The decision
to make any such refunds or replacements is at my sole discretion.
Conversely, I suppose the product could get worse and the price could
increase. In either case, I won't ask that you swap or that you send
more money. ; )
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